Join us for a holiday-themed episode of Digital Forensics Now, where we blend expert insights with personal stories from the field of digital forensics.
This episode delves into cutting-edge tools and techniques for digital forensics. Explore insights from Arsenal on advanced methods for analyzing swap space and memory files. We also share experiences with the Samsung Secure Health Data Parser, highlighting the challenges of decrypting health databases and the critical role of UFED in overcoming them. Don’t miss an in-depth look at the remarkable features of ArtEX, showcasing its value to examiners. Additionally, we introduce the LEAPPS Artifact Viewer App (LAVA), a groundbreaking tool unveiled at the Cyber Social Hub conference.
We discuss the vital role of forensic experts in legal proceedings, from the importance of meticulous validation to the risks of mishandling evidence. Real-world cases and a controversial court rulings that highlight why expert testimony remains essential in interpreting digital artifacts.
We close with gratitude to our listeners and warm holiday wishes. Stay tuned on social media for updates on our next live session after the holidays.
Notes:
Working with 010 Hex-Editor
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCS2zI95IiNwheFCTaUEytA1GT0mNOOdn
Arsenal Releases a New Tool!
https://arsenalrecon.com/additional-products
Samsung Secure Health Data Parser - A Forensic Tool for Parsing & Analyzing Samsung Secure Health Databases
https://github.com/breakpointforensics/Samsung-Secure-Health-Data-Parser-/tree/main
ArtEx Artifact Examiner
https://www.doubleblak.com/app.php?id=ArtEx2
Why the Manual Preview/Screenshots May Not Hold Up in Court
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larsdaniel/2024/11/13/think-that-screenshot-is-proof-heres-why-it-might-not-hold-up-in-court/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larsdaniel/2024/12/06/smartphone-forensics-and-fake-texts-how-are-courts-responding/
What's New with the LEAPPS!?
Google Keep Notes
https://charpy4n6.blogspot.com/2024/12/google-keep-notes.html
Signup for Updates!
leapps.org
Thursday, December 12, 2024
Thursday, November 21, 2024
BFU Data, Forensic Tools, and the Future of Digital Investigations
The latest episode of Digital Forensics Now kicks off with lighthearted banter about Heather's newfound fame in commercials, bringing a fun and relatable start to a tech-heavy discussion. Following the laughs, the conversation shifts to an invigorating recap of Alexis' recent experience at SANS DFIRCON, featuring interactions with digital forensics luminaries like Brian Maloney and Ian Whiffin. Ian's ArtEx tool, which cleverly maps locations for forensic investigations, also takes center stage as a highlight of the conference. The episode weaves in personal reflections, including a scenic family train ride from Orlando to Miami and the implementation of a Python artifact exercise during a teaching session.
The journey continues with a vibrant detour to the Tanganyika Wildlife Park in Kansas, where the usual birthday horseback riding tradition was replaced with unforgettable encounters like swimming with penguins, feeding giraffes, and snapping selfies with lemurs. These charming moments with nature set a refreshing tone before diving back into the tech world.
In the realm of digital forensics, the episode explores reverse engineering iOS 18, discusses the brief availability of BitLocker support in FTK Imager, and examines the evolving landscape of BFU (Before First Unlock) data extraction in law enforcement. The hosts delve deep into the complexities of digital forensics tools, translating technical data structures into accessible insights while emphasizing the importance of a strong digital evidence strategy. Topics include advancements in the LEAPP Parsers, the innovative Lava Viewer, and the latest developments in Blue Sky data structures, offering a comprehensive look at the tools shaping the field.
The episode wraps up with an open invitation for listeners to connect on social platforms, share their thoughts, and showcase innovative projects within the community, fostering a collaborative and forward-thinking space for digital forensics enthusiasts.
Notes
iOS Devices Rebooting Continued https://naehrdine.blogspot.com/2024/11/reverse-engineering-ios-18-inactivity.html
Samsung Secure Health Data Parser
https://breakpointforensics.com/2024/11/06/samsung-secure-health-data-parser-a-forensic-tool-for-parsing-analyzing-samsung-secure-health-databases/
https://github.com/breakpointforensics/Samsung-Secure-Health-Data-Parser-/tree/main
Mobile Forensics Data Structures: Extracting and Analyzing Data with Free Tools
https://www.hexordia.com/blog/mobile-forensics-data-structures
GAMEPLANS: A template for robust digital evidence strategy development
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1556-4029.15655 Digital Evidence
Enhancing public safety using digital investigative technologies
https://majorcitieschiefs.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/MCCA-Digital-Evidence-White-Paper-_-Oct-2024.pdf
Importance of BFU Partial Filesystem Extractions!
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/1carl-lawrence_dfir-polcing-digitalforensics-activity-7264179600631468034-FHGh
Sumuri Gives Back 2024
https://sumuri.com/sumuri-gives-back-2024/
The journey continues with a vibrant detour to the Tanganyika Wildlife Park in Kansas, where the usual birthday horseback riding tradition was replaced with unforgettable encounters like swimming with penguins, feeding giraffes, and snapping selfies with lemurs. These charming moments with nature set a refreshing tone before diving back into the tech world.
In the realm of digital forensics, the episode explores reverse engineering iOS 18, discusses the brief availability of BitLocker support in FTK Imager, and examines the evolving landscape of BFU (Before First Unlock) data extraction in law enforcement. The hosts delve deep into the complexities of digital forensics tools, translating technical data structures into accessible insights while emphasizing the importance of a strong digital evidence strategy. Topics include advancements in the LEAPP Parsers, the innovative Lava Viewer, and the latest developments in Blue Sky data structures, offering a comprehensive look at the tools shaping the field.
The episode wraps up with an open invitation for listeners to connect on social platforms, share their thoughts, and showcase innovative projects within the community, fostering a collaborative and forward-thinking space for digital forensics enthusiasts.
Notes
iOS Devices Rebooting Continued https://naehrdine.blogspot.com/2024/11/reverse-engineering-ios-18-inactivity.html
Samsung Secure Health Data Parser
https://breakpointforensics.com/2024/11/06/samsung-secure-health-data-parser-a-forensic-tool-for-parsing-analyzing-samsung-secure-health-databases/
https://github.com/breakpointforensics/Samsung-Secure-Health-Data-Parser-/tree/main
Mobile Forensics Data Structures: Extracting and Analyzing Data with Free Tools
https://www.hexordia.com/blog/mobile-forensics-data-structures
GAMEPLANS: A template for robust digital evidence strategy development
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1556-4029.15655 Digital Evidence
Enhancing public safety using digital investigative technologies
https://majorcitieschiefs.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/MCCA-Digital-Evidence-White-Paper-_-Oct-2024.pdf
Importance of BFU Partial Filesystem Extractions!
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/1carl-lawrence_dfir-polcing-digitalforensics-activity-7264179600631468034-FHGh
Sumuri Gives Back 2024
https://sumuri.com/sumuri-gives-back-2024/
Thursday, November 14, 2024
iOS 18’s Inactivity Reboots Explained: AFU to BFU Transitions with Chris Vance from Magnet Forensics
Join us on the Digital Forensics Now podcast as we explore the details of the iOS 18 inactivity reboot issue with mobile forensics expert Christopher Vance from Magnet Forensics. Chris traces the origins of this challenge back to iOS 17 and explains how unified logs play a key role in diagnosing these system memory resets. This episode is packed with valuable insights for anyone interested in the inner workings of iOS devices and the unique considerations they present in digital forensics.
We also discuss device security and data preservation, focusing on iOS devices. Examining the balance between law enforcement’s need for data access and Apple’s privacy measures, we highlight the importance of extracting the data from devices quickly to prevent data loss. Our conversation covers the legal complexities, jurisdictional nuances, and the demand for data preservation tools to address these challenges effectively.
We explore recent developments in mobile technology, specifically Android 15's "Private Space" feature and how it will effect the digital forensic community workflow.
With insights from industry experts, this episode is full of essential updates tailored for digital forensics professionals looking to stay current.
Notes:
iOS Devices Rebooting
https://www.magnetforensics.com/blog/understanding-the-security-impacts-of-ios-18s-inactivity-reboot/
5 iOS forensics evidence sources to capture before they expire
https://www.magnetforensics.com/blog/ios-forensics-evidence-sources-to-capture-before-they-expire
Mac and iOS Forensic Analysis and Incident Response Poster
https://www.sans.org/posters/macos-ios-forensic-analysis/
We also discuss device security and data preservation, focusing on iOS devices. Examining the balance between law enforcement’s need for data access and Apple’s privacy measures, we highlight the importance of extracting the data from devices quickly to prevent data loss. Our conversation covers the legal complexities, jurisdictional nuances, and the demand for data preservation tools to address these challenges effectively.
We explore recent developments in mobile technology, specifically Android 15's "Private Space" feature and how it will effect the digital forensic community workflow.
With insights from industry experts, this episode is full of essential updates tailored for digital forensics professionals looking to stay current.
Notes:
iOS Devices Rebooting
https://www.magnetforensics.com/blog/understanding-the-security-impacts-of-ios-18s-inactivity-reboot/
5 iOS forensics evidence sources to capture before they expire
https://www.magnetforensics.com/blog/ios-forensics-evidence-sources-to-capture-before-they-expire
Mac and iOS Forensic Analysis and Incident Response Poster
https://www.sans.org/posters/macos-ios-forensic-analysis/
Thursday, October 17, 2024
AI in Court: Testimony or Tech-tastrophe?
Could AI in forensic analysis be more of a liability than an asset? Join us as we explore this pressing concern.
We kick off this episode with an important update for those dealing with Android extractions. Recent changes to the Android OS and Google Play Store might be causing the Keystore (secrets.json) file to either miss data or not be extracted at all. This brings attention to the vital role decryption keys play in accessing data from mobile devices.
Next, we dive into advancements in forensic tools like MSAB’s new RAM analyzer for XRY Pro users.
For iOS investigators, if you’re working with Cache.sqlite data, you’ll want to check out iCatch, a tool designed to map the data efficiently and streamline your workflow.
Shifting to the role of AI, we examine a recent legal case that highlights the dangers of relying on AI-generated results without proper verification. Accuracy and repeatability are key, and our discussion focuses on the ethical implications of using AI in forensic investigations. We emphasize the importance of thoroughly validating AI tools to maintain trust in the legal process.
Notes:
Updated Telegram Policy
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/luca-cadonici-41299b4b_policy-telegram-cybersecurity-activity-7244258209979334656-AxPl
https://telegram.org/privacy#8-3-law-enforcement-authorities
MSAB RAMalyzer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEgSYSF03A
Expert witness used Copilot to make up fake damages, irking judge
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/judge-confronts-expert-witness-who-used-copilot-to-fake-expertise/
https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2024/2024-ny-slip-op-24258.html
iCATCH
https://github.com/AXYS-Cyber/iCATCH
We kick off this episode with an important update for those dealing with Android extractions. Recent changes to the Android OS and Google Play Store might be causing the Keystore (secrets.json) file to either miss data or not be extracted at all. This brings attention to the vital role decryption keys play in accessing data from mobile devices.
Next, we dive into advancements in forensic tools like MSAB’s new RAM analyzer for XRY Pro users.
For iOS investigators, if you’re working with Cache.sqlite data, you’ll want to check out iCatch, a tool designed to map the data efficiently and streamline your workflow.
Shifting to the role of AI, we examine a recent legal case that highlights the dangers of relying on AI-generated results without proper verification. Accuracy and repeatability are key, and our discussion focuses on the ethical implications of using AI in forensic investigations. We emphasize the importance of thoroughly validating AI tools to maintain trust in the legal process.
Notes:
Updated Telegram Policy
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/luca-cadonici-41299b4b_policy-telegram-cybersecurity-activity-7244258209979334656-AxPl
https://telegram.org/privacy#8-3-law-enforcement-authorities
MSAB RAMalyzer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEgSYSF03A
Expert witness used Copilot to make up fake damages, irking judge
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/judge-confronts-expert-witness-who-used-copilot-to-fake-expertise/
https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2024/2024-ny-slip-op-24258.html
iCATCH
https://github.com/AXYS-Cyber/iCATCH
Thursday, October 3, 2024
Awareness Unlocks Discovery: Knowing It Exists is the First Step to Finding It
Join us as we discuss the latest blogs and training opportunities available to keep you at the forefront of digital forensics.
We’ll then dive into the release of iOS 18 and its impact on digital forensic investigations. Beyond tools and gadgets, we'll explore the shift towards cloud-based evidence storage, weighing its benefits and security challenges against traditional air-gapped networks.
Whether you're a seasoned professional or just beginning your journey, this episode offers a mix of education, entertainment, and a sense of community, all with a dash of geek culture fun.
Notes:
-Triple Trouble. iOS 16, Android 14, and iOS 17 Images Now Available!
https://thebinaryhick.blog/2024/09/14/triple-trouble-ios-16-android-14-and-ios-17-images-now-available/
-A First Look at iOS 18 Forensics
https://blog.digital-forensics.it/2024/09/a-first-look-at-ios-18.html https://www.magnetforensics.com/blog/a-look-into-ios-18s-changes/
-New iOS Feature - Brian Krebs Linkedin Post
https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/request-give-remote-control-a-facetime-call-iph5d70f34a3/ios
-macOS 15 (Sequoia): What Forensic Examiners Need to Know
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/macos-15-sequoia-what-forensic-examiners-need-know-sumuriforensics-ohbrc/
-25th Anniversary of Paraben
https://l.paraben.com/25-year-anniversary-3005
-Oxygen 2024 International User Summit
https://oxygenforensics.com/en/user-summit-2024/
-When is an app not an app? Investigating WebAPKs on Android
https://www.cclsolutionsgroup.com/post/when-is-an-app-not-an-app-investigating-webapks-on-android
-mr. eerie Blog
https://mreerie.com/2024/09/30/exploring-ufade-to-extract-data-from-ios-devices/
-Learn With Hexordia Launch
https://learn.hexordia.com
-Noel Lowdon-Vehicle Systems Forensics
https://www.linkedin.com/in/noel-lowdon-74685769/
-Not Scary Binary
https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_8G0VMawERVO-kpaDJbE2Ww#/registration
-Marco Neumann added Withings HealthMate on iOS (iLEAPP)
https://bebinary4n6.blogspot.com/2024/09/withings-healthmate-on-ios.html
We’ll then dive into the release of iOS 18 and its impact on digital forensic investigations. Beyond tools and gadgets, we'll explore the shift towards cloud-based evidence storage, weighing its benefits and security challenges against traditional air-gapped networks.
Whether you're a seasoned professional or just beginning your journey, this episode offers a mix of education, entertainment, and a sense of community, all with a dash of geek culture fun.
Notes:
-Triple Trouble. iOS 16, Android 14, and iOS 17 Images Now Available!
https://thebinaryhick.blog/2024/09/14/triple-trouble-ios-16-android-14-and-ios-17-images-now-available/
-A First Look at iOS 18 Forensics
https://blog.digital-forensics.it/2024/09/a-first-look-at-ios-18.html https://www.magnetforensics.com/blog/a-look-into-ios-18s-changes/
-New iOS Feature - Brian Krebs Linkedin Post
https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/request-give-remote-control-a-facetime-call-iph5d70f34a3/ios
-macOS 15 (Sequoia): What Forensic Examiners Need to Know
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/macos-15-sequoia-what-forensic-examiners-need-know-sumuriforensics-ohbrc/
-25th Anniversary of Paraben
https://l.paraben.com/25-year-anniversary-3005
-Oxygen 2024 International User Summit
https://oxygenforensics.com/en/user-summit-2024/
-When is an app not an app? Investigating WebAPKs on Android
https://www.cclsolutionsgroup.com/post/when-is-an-app-not-an-app-investigating-webapks-on-android
-mr. eerie Blog
https://mreerie.com/2024/09/30/exploring-ufade-to-extract-data-from-ios-devices/
-Learn With Hexordia Launch
https://learn.hexordia.com
-Noel Lowdon-Vehicle Systems Forensics
https://www.linkedin.com/in/noel-lowdon-74685769/
-Not Scary Binary
https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_8G0VMawERVO-kpaDJbE2Ww#/registration
-Marco Neumann added Withings HealthMate on iOS (iLEAPP)
https://bebinary4n6.blogspot.com/2024/09/withings-healthmate-on-ios.html
Thursday, September 12, 2024
Balancing Act: Trials, Training, and the Future of Digital Forensics
Recognizing excellence is key in our community, and we spotlight the SANS Difference Maker Awards and Celebrate Summit Digital Justice Awards. Discover why it’s crucial to nominate your peers and learn about the newly opened registration for IACIS 2025 training classes, featuring must-attend courses like Advanced Mobile Device Forensics.
While highlighting a recent article by Brett Shavers, we stress the significance of continuous education and community acknowledgment in helping digital forensics professionals grow and excel.
Our conversation delves into the technical challenges of iOS Telegram data analysis and the development of tools like Kathryn Hedley's Parse USBs script. We shed light on the importance of peer reviews and cognitive bias in forensics. This episode is a deep dive into the intricacies of digital forensics, education, and the community that drives it forward.
Notes:
SANS Difference Maker Awards
https://www.sans.org/about/awards/difference-makers/
Cellebrite Summit Digital Justice Awards
https://cellebrite.com/en/c2c-summit-digital-justice-awards/
IACIS 2025 Training
https://iacis.com/training/
Belkasoft - iOS Telegram Acquisition and Database Analysis
https://belkasoft.com/ios-telegram-forensics-acquisition-and-database-analysis
Kathryn Hedley parseusbs script
https://www.khyrenz.com/post/automated-usb-artefact-parsing-from-the-registry
https://github.com/khyrenz/parseusbs
Cracking OneDrives Personal Vault -Brian Maloney https://malwaremaloney.blogspot.com/2024/09/cracking-onedrives-personal-vault.html
https://github.com/Beercow/Personal-Vault-BEK
Brett Shavers New Article - Today, today I rant
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/today-i-rant-dfir-training-brett-shavers--pij4c/
Lionel Notari Logs of the Week
https://www.ios-unifiedlogs.com/unifiedlogoftheweek
While highlighting a recent article by Brett Shavers, we stress the significance of continuous education and community acknowledgment in helping digital forensics professionals grow and excel.
Our conversation delves into the technical challenges of iOS Telegram data analysis and the development of tools like Kathryn Hedley's Parse USBs script. We shed light on the importance of peer reviews and cognitive bias in forensics. This episode is a deep dive into the intricacies of digital forensics, education, and the community that drives it forward.
Notes:
SANS Difference Maker Awards
https://www.sans.org/about/awards/difference-makers/
Cellebrite Summit Digital Justice Awards
https://cellebrite.com/en/c2c-summit-digital-justice-awards/
IACIS 2025 Training
https://iacis.com/training/
Belkasoft - iOS Telegram Acquisition and Database Analysis
https://belkasoft.com/ios-telegram-forensics-acquisition-and-database-analysis
Kathryn Hedley parseusbs script
https://www.khyrenz.com/post/automated-usb-artefact-parsing-from-the-registry
https://github.com/khyrenz/parseusbs
Cracking OneDrives Personal Vault -Brian Maloney https://malwaremaloney.blogspot.com/2024/09/cracking-onedrives-personal-vault.html
https://github.com/Beercow/Personal-Vault-BEK
Brett Shavers New Article - Today, today I rant
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/today-i-rant-dfir-training-brett-shavers--pij4c/
Lionel Notari Logs of the Week
https://www.ios-unifiedlogs.com/unifiedlogoftheweek
Thursday, August 29, 2024
AI as a Report Writing Tool: Accuracy Enhancing or Recollection Poisoning?
What's the real impact of AI on law enforcement documentation? Can digital forensics tools truly revolutionize our investigative processes? These are just some of the provocative questions we tackle in our season two premiere of Digital Forensics Now! Join us as we celebrate our one-year anniversary with reflections on the past year, exciting updates, and plans for the future.
The episode takes a deep dive into the ethical and practical implications of AI in law enforcement, sparked by a recent AP News article on police officers using AI chatbots for writing crime reports. We express our skepticism about AI's accuracy and discuss the vital need for human oversight. Examining AI’s influence on officers' recollection of events, this episode scrutinizes the potential pitfalls and ethical concerns associated with AI in policing. We also humorously critique some AI-generated descriptions of our podcast, shedding light on AI's current limitations and biases.
Don't forget to vote for your favorite difference makers with the SANS Difference Maker Awards!
In the latter part of the show, we shine a spotlight on Recuperabit, a forensic file system reconstruction tool, and Lionel Notari's invaluable contributions on iOS log files. We tackle the challenges of modifying third-party tools and discuss the broader ethical concerns of reverse engineering. As we wrap up, we celebrate our anniversary by announcing the winners of our prize draw and featuring the "Meme of the Week," which humorously highlights the financial struggles in our field. Tune in for an informative and engaging episode!
Notes-
Local Storage and Session Storage in Mozilla FireFox Part 1
https://www.cclsolutionsgroup.com/post/local-storage-and-session-storage-in-mozilla-firefox-part-1
SANS Difference Maker Awards
https://www.sans.org/about/awards/difference-makers/
Police officers are starting to use AI chatbots to write crime reports. Will they hold up in court?
https://apnews.com/article/ai-writes-police-reports-axon-body-cameras-chatgpt-a24d1502b53faae4be0dac069243f418
Magnet Forensics acquires Medex Forensics
https://www.magnetforensics.com/news/magnet-forensics-acquires-medex-forensics-strengthening-video-evidence-integrity-with-detection-of-deepfakes-and-generative-ai/
RecuperaBit Forensic File System Reconstruction
https://www.forensicfocus.com/interviews/andrea-lazzarotto-digital-forensics-consultant-and-developer/ https://github.com/Lazza/RecuperaBit
The Logs of the Week
https://www.ios-unifiedlogs.com/unifiedlogoftheweek
The episode takes a deep dive into the ethical and practical implications of AI in law enforcement, sparked by a recent AP News article on police officers using AI chatbots for writing crime reports. We express our skepticism about AI's accuracy and discuss the vital need for human oversight. Examining AI’s influence on officers' recollection of events, this episode scrutinizes the potential pitfalls and ethical concerns associated with AI in policing. We also humorously critique some AI-generated descriptions of our podcast, shedding light on AI's current limitations and biases.
Don't forget to vote for your favorite difference makers with the SANS Difference Maker Awards!
In the latter part of the show, we shine a spotlight on Recuperabit, a forensic file system reconstruction tool, and Lionel Notari's invaluable contributions on iOS log files. We tackle the challenges of modifying third-party tools and discuss the broader ethical concerns of reverse engineering. As we wrap up, we celebrate our anniversary by announcing the winners of our prize draw and featuring the "Meme of the Week," which humorously highlights the financial struggles in our field. Tune in for an informative and engaging episode!
Notes-
Local Storage and Session Storage in Mozilla FireFox Part 1
https://www.cclsolutionsgroup.com/post/local-storage-and-session-storage-in-mozilla-firefox-part-1
SANS Difference Maker Awards
https://www.sans.org/about/awards/difference-makers/
Police officers are starting to use AI chatbots to write crime reports. Will they hold up in court?
https://apnews.com/article/ai-writes-police-reports-axon-body-cameras-chatgpt-a24d1502b53faae4be0dac069243f418
Magnet Forensics acquires Medex Forensics
https://www.magnetforensics.com/news/magnet-forensics-acquires-medex-forensics-strengthening-video-evidence-integrity-with-detection-of-deepfakes-and-generative-ai/
RecuperaBit Forensic File System Reconstruction
https://www.forensicfocus.com/interviews/andrea-lazzarotto-digital-forensics-consultant-and-developer/ https://github.com/Lazza/RecuperaBit
The Logs of the Week
https://www.ios-unifiedlogs.com/unifiedlogoftheweek
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